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POST YOUR COMMENTS: Dealing with Consumers Online Can Be Frustrating

September 21, 2009
When we redesigned the brakeandfrontend.com website, we permitted people to make comments on articles. Anybody can ask a question or share their opinion and it gets posted immediately. I manage the comments and respond to readers on a regular basis. Some of the comments and dialog between repair shop professionals is great, sometimes better than the article or news item itself. It has also been a great way for some aftermarket companies to address customers’ questions and concerns.
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Since the redesign, we have steadily moved up the rankings of the search engines. Not only are technicians and shop owners finding us, but the occasional consumer wanders into our little corner of the internet to ask a question or they find my phone number. As an ambassador of the aftermarket, I always try to help the motoring public understand their vehicles. But, lately I have given up.

Maybe it is the economic times making people more cautious with their money, or there is more information or “misinformation” out there. But, people no longer want real advice; they want conspiracy theories, quick fixes and magic potions. They do not want sound advice on how to take care of their vehicle and get it properly repaired.

Most of these people believe in three falsehoods. First, shops and technicians are not as smart as them just because they get their hands dirty for a living. Second, a car is a simple device that can be fixed with fairy dust and a few inexpensive parts. Third, it is a bluffing game between themselves and the shop, and what’s at stake is their wallet. The less they tell the shop, the less money they stand to lose.

There are also three types of people asking questions. Since they have stereotyped technicians, I will stereotype them.
The first type of consumer commenter, and the most common, is the “price shopper.” This person is looking for a diagnosis so they can call around town for the lowest price on the repair. You probably will get a few of these calls today from someone asking how much it is to replace an oxygen sensor or some odd part that hardly ever fails.

The second type of commenter is the “paranoid idiot.” They are convinced shops and auto manufacturers are trying to rip them off. To them the “Check Engine” light is a form of slavery to “the man.” These  goofs often call you up asking if you can install parts they bought on eBay. The most common environment for paranoid idiots are “owners” forums for their specific vehicle.

The last type of consumer commenter on the internet is the “DIY Dummy.” Typically male, they want to go to a parts store and replace parts without understanding what  is really wrong with their vehicle. Generally, this guy assumes that a new set of spark plugs, air filter and a bottle of fuel injector cleaner will fix every problem.

I can no longer stand these people. Every time I receive a notification a comment has been left on the website starting with “My car...” or “I have a...,” I start to get annoyed.
Maybe it is pride or fear preventing some of them from taking their vehicle to a repair shop and paying a small diagnostic fee to find out what is wrong. But, these people need help, and they are not going to find it on the internet.

What really bugs me the most is  these people need and want to get their vehicles fixed, and there are shops that can help them. But, they have so much baggage preventing  them from communicating with a shop in an effective manner.
Have I become part of the problem? How would you handle it? Please leave a comments below.

Submit a Comment   Comments (11)
Comment by:
Andrew Markel, Editor, Brake & Front End
10/13/2009
4:17 PM
Wow, the responses to my story has really hit a nerve. Thanks for the comments, most were printed in the October issue! Thanks
Comment by:
Scott "Gonzo" Weaver
10/13/2009
10:04 AM
I totally agree...it's not that you can change the customer..it's industry practices that need to change. Letting the customer decide on the part, either by price or quality either leads to "you" (the mechanic) looking stupid when it fails again, or looking like the rip off artist they think you are. The complicated systems in today's cars are not our fathers cars by a long shot. But, the customer is still the same guy driving down the road. At my shop I call customer supplied part jobs as "ropin' a steer" I put the part on, wrench down the last bolt,throw my hands in the air and call "TIME!!" Cause I couldn't care less if it works or doesn't... If they came to me for expert advise and repair...how in the world did my expertise just all of a sudden be diminished by the all mightly wallet of doom. "money" We all know that to repair cars today takes a lot more than tools...it takes a few brain cells to get it done. Then why is it still so common to have a customer come in and think your just another dumba grease monkey. I wrote about this in my book. "Hey Look, I found the loose nut" it's worth reading....I think you'll agree after reading it. http://www.amazon.com/Hey-Look-Found-Loose-Nut/dp/0881444308/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254318971&sr=8-1,
Comment by:
Joe Marconi
10/13/2009
9:07 AM
You sound bitter, and I can understand fully. I have been in the auto business since 1974. But, I have to tell you, one of the biggest problems is with too many shops that don't charge diagostic fees, that are willing to install customer supplied parts and other bad practices that hurt us all. We need to look in the mirror. We may not be able to change the public,but we can change ourselves. Joe Marconi AutoShopOwner.com OsceolaGarage.com
Comment by:
Scott "Gonzo" Weaver
10/12/2009
11:20 AM
Talk about writing a book about it! ! ! I did just that. After 25+ years in the biz I decided it was high time to write some of those hysterical, zany, off the wall customer stories down on paper. "Hey Look, I found the loose nut" is the title and can be found on amazon.com. If you're in the business and deal with the general public you'll find this funny, crazy,and just what we all deal with from day to day. There's no doubt you can probably relate to many of my own personal dealings with the public. Check it out. "Hey Look, I found the loose nut" You won't be able to keep the smile off your face. (Ask Mitch Schneider about it)
Comment by:
Douglas Whichello dba Doug,s Repair & Service
10/6/2009
7:19 PM
No Andrew your not part of the problem, I,ve been working on cars sence 1954 and have owned my own shops sence 1968 in N.J. and moved to Calif.1980 till 2002then to FL. 2002 till now and the more things have changed the more they stay the same. I could write a book with just the the words " it was not doing that till you worked on it " or " they say it could be this problem " (who is they ? ) and "how fast can you do it" then " how much ". There is differences between north,west,and south with customers mind sets but one thing does not change there are a lot of shop that I can only say rip off customers. It has taken me 5 to get(by word of mouth)that my shop is honest and fair. Right or wrong I,ve put on parts if the customer buys it from who ever and put the money in my account and with only a warenty on my labor. After being in Redondo Beach CA. for 22 years I have seen it all and have always its a different world out there. We did 12 to 15 smogs a day and I had 4 bays and 5 mechanics plus ran Mobil's largest Bay and service station in the Los Angelos area and was with EXXON (ESSO) from 1966 till 2002. Once again your not part of the problem just part of the industry with problems.
Comment by:
Dave Johnson
9/26/2009
8:28 PM
I found your column in September Brake&Front end very interesting. Your statement about people not wanting real advice seems to be right on. I can tell firsthand about this. I sell tires; I get 5 to 10 calls a day wanting prices. I will get some one that will ask for a price on a 15” tire or 16” (as if all tires in that size are the same price). I give them a price and then the questions start coming! Is this the cheapest tire you have? What is the millage of this tire? Is it good in wet weather? So if I start to ask what they would like from a tire, look out! I will get “want kind of question is this! How the heck should I know! I just want a tire! I did not know I had to have a collage degree!” So then when the buy the cheap tire and it last 30,000 miles they want their money back! Or when I see a young woman coming in with a flat tire with and older man I know I am in for a ride! This happen the other day; A young would is coming in with this old guy, I see both of them getting out of their vehicles and both start looking at the tire on a very new Jeep. They come in not caring that the sign is off! Ask if I can replace a tire valve on the jeep. I tell the older guy that the jeep comes with tpms and I do not have it in stock. Well let me tell you this gut goes nuts! Wants to know how I know that the valve is a tpm sensor! He states that I am just telling him this to get reed of him! I can tell you this is happen too many times! Hay I have to fix my car who do I get to yell at? Who do I get to fix it for free? Where is my warranty?
Comment by:
Frank May
9/23/2009
10:24 PM
You are right on. On an average day we deal with anywhere from 2-5 of the type calls where someone has self diagnosed their problem and want to know how much it costs. Usually you know they aren't even near the problem. Invariably I try to do a little educating, a little empathy, and talk them into allowing us to look at it. Today I had such a call on an 05 Dodge Ram with 40,000 miles and the owner wanting me to price a rear main seal because the guys at the quick lube said it was leaking. I talked him into coming in and putting some dye in it and letting us check for the leak. Sometimes this stuff is frustrating and sometimes it is hilariously amusing. I will never forget the guy with the Ford truck whose truck was running very badly and according to my estimation the owner had spent about $400 in self-installed parts that trying to fix the problem. He watched as my service manager took his hand, reached up under the engine cow, and used his hand to plug the vaccum leak. When the truck immediately smoothed out the owner jumped like he was shot and excited asked "what did you do?!". You should have seen his face when my service manager said we could fix the truck for $50.
Comment by:
Marsa Montgomery
9/23/2009
11:35 AM
Yes it is frustrating, but you have to remember that those types of people have always been around. With internet, google, blogs and forums we just hear more from them. Does it get old? Yes! You just can't ever give up on explaining the basics to a caller or e-mailer and hope they understand where you are coming from. In the end they will either buy into the way you do business or move on down the road.
Comment by:
Howard Sanders
9/23/2009
8:31 AM
I made a mistake on my comments. I do not pay flat rate, my tech are salary or hourly. Flat rate is just an antiquated way to pay. Sorry for the additional posts but had to get my point out. =Thanks ~H~
Comment by:
Howard Sanders
9/23/2009
8:27 AM
fast enough to keep up. I am a ASE Blue Seal Of Excellence facilty, TSS Facility for AC Delco, A Federated Car Care Professional & A Monroe Ride Control Expert Facility. I own several factory & a couple of after market scan tools. I have a DSO with numerious other diagnostic & service specifc tools/equipment. I do pay techs on flat rate. I do charge for diagnsotics & inspections. Drivability/trans, Electrical or any other module contolled system, as a rule, are always stand on the bill. However, brakes, coolant, ect are usually discount out towards repairs. I also pay for & require my tech to attend numerious training/retraining classes during the year. I also attend thsoe classes. I just wanted you to get a little back ground so you know I do try to walk what I preach. My shop is located in Milford, Michigan near GM Proving Grounds. Very good article by the way & thank you for reading my rant!
Comment by:
Howard Sanders
9/23/2009
8:12 AM
I think there are many people to blame for the way customers are, including us in the aftermarket repair industry. One of the worst offenders, in my opion, is the parts stores & especially the national chains. They devaluate our services by offering free mil scans(which should be illegal under unfair business practice laws)with the very intent that 95% of the time customer will make a purchase something based on that scan. It gives the customer a false impression that "the box" tells us dumb grease monkeys how to fix their vehicles or have a clue how much real diagnostic equipment cost, the amount of & cost of training/retraining needed, plus the cost of obtaining the correct vehicle repair information, or that the equipment & information is only as good as the technician holding it or reading it! National repair/tire/muffler chains proliferate this problem with there cheapy coupon pricing, that in 99% of the time never reflects the real bill total in the end. Some independent repairs shops also re-enfource this by not requiring a high level of training/retraining or investing in proper equipment to service these vehicles; so therefore charge less on labor &/or do not charge for legitimate diagnostic labors,&by making unacceptible, partial or bandaid type repairs. For the most part there are good shops around but until we in the industry start policing some of our own practices customers will continue to view us as middlemen in the way of repairing their car & just trying to make a buck. Their right in one respect though I am trying to make a legitimate profit & there is nothing wrong with that. We as a industry need to educate the consumer on just how wonderfully intricate & complex their personel transportation computer systems are. Hell computer techs charge $250/hr and have nowhere near the tools or amount of technical ability of a good technician. People are in for a real rude awakening in the future because their vehicles are getting more & more complicated and our industry is not replacing the technicians
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